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Bob Dobbs is telling Tommy Mars about a interview he saw where Frank is disagreeing with Einstein about the nature of Time.

Frank Disagrees with Einstein
Bob Dobbs & Tommy Mars interview talking about Frank Zappa

This interview is hard to follow because of all the inside references and Bob talks fast. They are referring to how Frank looks at music as "pushing air" and he sees frequencies a little different than everyone else. In fact he sees everything revolving around frequencies. everything is "vibrations." Molecules vibrate. This transcript is just the part about Einstein and Inca Roads. The transcript is below, in case you didn't see it or you want to view it again before seeing the transcript here is the clip-
Zappa disagrees with Einstein Interview



Bob: Did you know that Frank disagreed with Einstein?

Tommy: I wouldn't doubt it. Clue me in on his realm.

Bob: E=MC squared. Space and Time are interchangeable like Mass and Energy in simple terms. Frank in a Interview said I think it might have been that Don Mein thing 1992 (Don who? I) Bob continues, - I jus saw it on the internet someone quoted it and he goes, "I disagree with Einstein that Space and Time are interacting." He said, "Time is the outer sphere where all things are all happening all at once. The inner sphere of Space is a Möbius Strip." So he re-separates Time, away from Space. Einstein didn't do that, he had them intertwined.

Tommy: He had them intertwined.

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Bob: Einstein had them intertwined like they're both components of a Möbius Strip. Thats a very interesting concept and thats' the incredible arrogance and genius of Frank . . ..

Tommy: Hahaha ahh ahhhh

Bob: You guys yeh you built a bomb but so what you got it wrong.

Tommy: blah blah blahaaa

Bob: You got it all wrong, and then when you know that quote it fits within his whole thing of the upper and lower and Time is all Time and its the unknown zone where all things are happening, and the middle zone where UFO's come in, thats' an effect of the modulating of the above and below frequency which is the Time zone where its happening. And then he says thats' what, he had a secular materialist view in a way of psychics, that says someone who's just, zapping, going out of the Möbius Strip of space and zapping into a Time and experience because its already happening. I'm talking about going in a full circle which I like to have in my dialogue. Your opening line was, "Frank was the beyond." Well that was Time and sphere (sphere? what did Bob say?)

Tommy: You know musically uhh . .. .

Bob: And that's why you had to be on time, the wind. The wind factor yep.

Tommy: That's exactly right.

Bob: So, do I rest my case, that was Frank or what. How could a medium, this guy doesn't even know Frank, how could he say that?

Tommy: That's right.

Bob: You know what I'm saying?

Tommy: Thats right. I just want to say, it seems a bit obvious, but to me, quintessentially, Inca Roads, is a tremendous, um, manifestation of that.

Bob: The song?

Tommy: The song Inca Roads, to me,.

Bob: Well you know, Gale, said thats' her favorite song, and Gale, is always talking code I think. She's been around. She's an insider.

Tommy: She's not always talking code, but sometimes she slips out of it.

Bob: Slips out of it … and by, saying…..

Tommy: Did you hear what I just said?

Bob: Well I'm trying to figure out.. She said Inca Roads is her favorite song. Is that slipping out of code?

Tommy: No thats' code.

Bob: Okay so now elaborate why that's real?

Tommy: But here's slipping out of code.

Bob: Oh okay.

Tommy: I don't want to belabor this, because I know we have to move on, I just wanted to say, that number one, Frank was, uh famous for writing mini operas.

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Bob: Right.

Tommy: You know what I mean like verses would be analogous to ariaieseses (what the hec did Bob say?) choruses would be analogous to uh reishttighisity.. (what? what did he say?)

Bob: Right.

Tommy: Inca Roads to me is quintessential, it has all of the elements . . .

Bob: Of an Opera..

Tommy: Well I'm saying a song say like Punky's Whips, is a like mini Opera. Brown Shoes Don't Make It, is like an Opera. You know what I mean.

Bob: Inca Roads is not.

Tommy: No Inca Roads is as well, but the point I'm trying to make is that, to me its like the quintessential song of Frank, it has everything there…. stylistically

Bob: In light of the UFO quote.

Tommy: In light of the UFO quote, the whole thing… and then you know like, the Guacamole Queen, you know what I mean, like um.

Bob: It's a question. The results are in question.

Tommy: Some Indians upon a hill you know what I mean, its like

Bob: That's your time, your right…

Tommy: It just came to me as we're talking about this, that I wanted to say that to me, and I'm not talking code, I'm breaking code.

Bob: In other words you just realized why it is, thru our conversation, it is you in a sense.

Tommy: Its the edge of the .. and then you have the glory of, instrumentally, not even a lyric on this.. "wha da dee do due dah dee day uh da do day"..

Bob: Yeah

Tommy: That is, …. look I don't necessarily believe in a heaven or hell but if there is a heaven where everything is peace and pure, that theme embodies it.

Bob: Thats right.

Tommy: And yet it starts off so like uh, you know like -out there

Bob: Right right.

Tommy: Like your landing, you'r landing in.

Bob: You're landing the alien in the unknown.

Tommy: When i first started listening to Frank, that album to me was like the best album he had ever done up to that point, it just had everything, fidelity, substance.. you know like the….

Bob: The latest Technology.

Tommy: Latest technology. and brilliant lyrics, all of the songs were like hits to me, you know what I mean, every single one, it wasn't just there was a cool Zappa song, these were like monstrous anthems these songs.

Bob: And if you think of it, he starts out bizarre. But then if we do find out there is life in other places and there is a UFO if that whole thing is real, then its a shift for mankind where we move into new dimensions, its the happy effect which is that riff you just said that heavenly,,. do it again.

Tommy: I want to reiterate this though, jus the way the structure of the song is, it starts, "Did a vehicle…" lyrically okay. Then you have instrumentally, deedeetteeedee okay an augmentation of that, then you have duhhhuhhdhhh its the same thing its jus gets keeps..

Bob: Different climates or different effects of the other communications.

Tommy: Of the same words. The same words, the same macro .. nutrients you know what I mean, or DNA.

Bob: This is the happy part, what we now know, is the happy resolution of the mystery is in the sound, the happy part you just did.

Tommy: Yeh its instrumental, on the record, its just a Marimba, but obviously when we played it, its like you know its the speed of light,, and everybody wants to play the lick instead of just Ruth. That was another difference between uh. the later band and the early band, is that in the early band it was like the guys didn't want to play the licks man becuz you know like, Frank what are you writing for us, you know what I mean.

Bob: And they couldn't

Tommy: I didn't say they couldn't I would say they would preferred maybe not to play all the hard licks, they were challenged. but for us we were like young Olympians man… it was jus like way harder , harder.

Bob: Yeh harder yeah.

Tommy: Did I give that story about that part about Jumbo? Where he's looking at me, with the hands out.. thats' like a classic example.

Bob: Now listen, this is, that is, we'll end on this point I guess. I'll give you a big insight about Frank. this morning, becuz the point is -Finnegans Wake is not a book. He has all forms of media, he's trying to paint a movie, and eventually a Television set.

Tommy: Yeah yeah.

Bob: Okay. but Frank is,,, Frank is not a musician .. and he plays tricks on musicians. Your musical conventional training, is….. trying to read it.

Tommy: When a baby could do it.

Bob: Yeh yeh in other words you, he was presenting a path to play a Football play, and you, you fooled him, you said think you knew what I did, get beyond the categories of your self. becuz I'm presenting a sports play. That's what that whole story is.

They are referencing so many things they start out with Einstein and Time and then go deep into the song, "Inca Roads" about a UFO. I thought man we needs us a transcript, Steve Vai told me to do it.

Speaking of Steve Vai, you gotta listen to the Bob Dobbs Steve Vai interview wowza. Steve says Bob is the first only person to recognize how fuqqing hard that was to "transcribe" The Black Page. I dunno why Steve says this because I always knew that 18 year old Stevie Vai was a fricken genius for being able to transcribe that. I think many many people know that Steve is a Boy Wonder.

I didn't transcribe the last few minutes. The ending where Bob is talking about a UFO scientist examining space debris and she wears different Zappa T-Shirts while she's investigating this UFO material. Bob is developing a Manifesto Thesis. He says Part One is about "Finnegans Wake" and Part Two is how Frank Out-did Finnegans Wake.

I always heard of this famous book by James Joyce, "Finnegans Wake." I never read it. Apparently neither did anyone else, they say it's basically unreadable. It's written in fragments using the most obscure hard to understand references. The theory is that James Joyce was using fragments to "paint" a big picture a movie and then a Televsion set.

Bob's theory is that Frank was doing the same thing, using parts and pieces and using "frequencies" to cause motion to describe a new life matter, and this UFO reseracher is working on that material. Wearing Zappa shirts.

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I will post the full context video
stay tuned for that coming soon.
They talk about how Frank is not really
a musician, he's a Orchestrator.
He uses "frequencies" to push air
into comlicated arrangements.

Frank found a bizarre way to get
data (signals) from the
Synclavier, and he uses
this data as "metadata" on each file.
He makes this data audible, turns it
into sounds that didn't exist.
He was fascinated by the idea of
taking a frequncy above the audible
range and combining it with a
frequency below to make a new one
that is in our audible range.

These two guys Bob and Tommy
said Frank is an Orchestrator
in outer space and not a musician.
He's outside above as the puppet master
he's "tricking" these
musician blokes. Frank himself is one of
the musicians, he's conducting the
other musicians in this giant "Play"
that his life's work is orchestrating.

They joke that maybe Frank works for
an Alien General from another planet.
Inca Roads song is about coming in,
from the outside and into the
audible world we know.
Knowing that much listen to it again-
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Frank was doing some crazy shit with the Synclavier
Switching the pitch and the timbre and then re-sample it
do some more stuff then re-sample it again.
He just keeps building it, adding more and more moves.
For years. He had 500 files of this stuff. So many
that he had trouble just finding the file again, the
file that he wanted to work on. Even the title doesn't help.

This is not a new problem. What is new
is that Frank took it up to 11.5

Turn it up to 11

It's a bit ridiculous, because if it takes you weeks
to create just a few bits of music, you can spend
the rest of your life on a project and still not get it finished.
Every animator knows this. It was way out of control before
the Synclavier and before AI editing tools.

Movie Studios hire rooms full of people to do just a few seconds
of special effects. They don't even call it special effects anymore.
When I was doing it in Hollywood in the 90's it was
very manuel compared to today. Now we have Bluescreen
and Greenscreen compositing and complicated effects
right on your cell phone.
I used to be somebody weep weep, I was a
"Special Effects Artist" it was a big deal.

Now you can jus tell it what you want it to do.
You can go get a account with Stable Confusion
and do your own AI animation creations.
Stunning stuff can be had, by you,
at your home studio. Start right now tonight.
It even does audio, you can get a call from the
Bank and its all fake voices.

The problem is, the problem. I can go learn
to play guitar, by myself, for free. Zappa taught himself to
play guitar. See how easy that is, sure anyone can do it.
Frank Zappa and Bruce Lee are similar in the manner
that they tell you what they're doing and describe
all the people out there who don't do it.
Frank will say dummies whereas Bruce was too polite
to tell you that you're never gonna fight your
way out of a paper bag.

If you had Bruce Lee's speed and power
no matter what martial art you're doing you would
be a dangerous opponent. Then add in Jeet Kune Do
and now you're fuggin James Bond.

Both Frank and Bruce do shit that is way beyond
the average person's means. At least Frank doesn't tell you
the key is keep it simple like The Tao of Jeet Kune Do it says,
"True refinement seeks simplicity"
That's easy for you to say when I can't even start the
engine let alone find the runway and let alone
take-off and then actually fly the plane then
you want me to land it too?

Katt Williams was talking about Snoop Dog he says,
"Snoop is amazing he has all these businesses
and Investments and huge projects in TV, movies,
all kinds of media, and he's doing it all while being HIGH."
Katt says, "When I get high I can't even get out of the room."

For Bruce Lee to tell us true refinement seeks simplicity after
he just got done doing two finger Push-Ups doesn't make any sense.
He doesn't do that. He knows the real deal.
I think that's why he got out of his schools, and teaching,
and wanted to use movies to show us philosophy not just
cool Kung Fu moves, that few of us could do.

Early on people thought Frank was this cranky weird guy
who doesn't like society.
Frank saw himself as almost a Journalist, a conduit.
He would watch the News and then put the gist of it into song.
He was an Alchemist. Bruce did the same thing. So did Alan Watts.

If you have 42 hours of extra time you can spare
go thru these Links of research engineer Bob Dobbs interviewing
Frank Zappa and related people and you too
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